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to big fossil fuel companies and the technology is here for us to be generating our own energy. >> john: when did anti-pollution become big business? >> when they decided to take tack ads designing energy solutions on their terms so that we find out all about why producing oil is a great thing for america because it is sponsored by exxon mobil, when really the best thing to do is to get off of our fossil fuel habit. >> john: the best thing for earth to do. >> absolutely. >> john: i even think when satan gets board he watches frank luntz for porn and i really think that when it comes to -- of all of the sinister talking points we have gotten used to, i think satan reaches his peak when we get to how the right-wing manages to demonize those fighting for clean air. but when it comes to the demonization of a clean ecology, and how we lost the word pollution, we lost the term poison, so i'm always indebted to the work you and others do for recalibrating the national psyche. >> in 2012 the largest fossil fuel producer on the planet is the united states. we're talking
:00 today because the technology has changed and you can't go back and take a job that requires some technical training. so we've got to retool the american work force. not just african-americans and latinos, everyone. we're talking about -- i'm talking about those two groups because the most severely impacted -- of what's happening. we have to retrain people. you know, i would not like to believe that in an attempt to get at the president there is resistance to putting the program in place. >> talking with congressman emanuel cleaver the outgoing chair of the congressional black caucus. he represents districts in parts of kansas city missouri. one of the other -- the immediate issue the bush tax cuts set to expire. we heard nancy pelosi, democratic leader say she hopes president obama stands firm. that his campaign pledge was that anybody making more than $250,000 should have their tax rates go up to the bush era tax levels. but it sounds like there is room for negotiation. do you believe that democrats should give
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